Rita Segato: “The pedagogy of cruelty accustoms us to acts of extreme cruelty”

Rita Segatowriter and anthropologist, explained through the “pedagogy of cruelty” the danger that mafias imply to settle in the provinces. The use of women as an object of wars, not only the classic ones, but also the current ones, in Fontevecchia modeby net tv and RadioProfile (FM 101.9).

Juan Monteverde, the councilman from Santa Fe, spoke of the pedagogy of cruelty. Can you deepen the concept and how it can be applied to the violence that lives in Rosario?

I hear rumors that the Paraná River is a large common grave, where there are many women at the bottom, and I am curious if that is so. I think there should be a major investigation.

in my book “The new forms of war and the body of women”I investigate what happens to the body of women in the new forms of war.

Because in these new forms, the woman’s body, which is not a warlike enemy in the collective imagination, is treated with cruelty, not only appropriate against classic wars, but there is unusual cruelty.

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like Argentina, Rosario worries me for the Nation, and also Jujuy. In other words, the borders, since they are the entry points, not only for illegal businesses, but also for the installation of a mafia capture within a nation. Once that mafia is installed, it is a cancer, and the Nation can no longer cure that space of seizure.

It is a space taken by a huge and unreported economy which implies a control of life and death, because silver is the second money of immense accumulation that buys life and death. This paraeconomy generates a paralegality, takes a right and creates a second undeclared right that legislates about life and death.

Apart appears a parapolice, an unfolding of the methods of control and social security that are typical of what we understood to be a state that is becoming a fiction, and we have discourses that do not really exist, but are part of a para-state. When this para-state settles in a city, it expands to the Nation.

Mexico, is a great mass grave with a blow to democracy given from spaces mafialized. Mexico is a great Ciudad Juárez Today, let that not happen to us in Argentina.

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This can be seen in what happens to women, in the cruelty necessary because women are not the soldier of the enemy army. The woman’s body is not that, but cruelty becomes independent as a language of power and is one of the aspects that I designate as a pedagogy of cruelty.

Can I ask you for a comparison between Ciudad Juárez and Rosario? Will you find any parallels?

Absolutely, they are the borders.

that’s why marita veron It was last seen in Güemes, a point between Salta and Jujuy, where you can access the almost immediate borders, official and not with Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay and many other places. Güemes is a border that is not on the line, but has access on all the lines. That was where Marita was last seen. It is a place of escape and trafficking.

Rosario and Paraná are a great border, because it is not only about the mafia and smuggling, but also about a blow to democracy. It is important to realize, and I feel immense frustration because it warned of the blow to democracy.

In 2012, horace verbitskiIt shows that the coup is not given with epaulettes and military uniforms but from the mafialization, from the entry of disruptive mafia forces that create that second reality and prevent the State from functioning properly.

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Rosario is on the border, and if we do not take immediate measures, it is a cancer that is going to set in and that will not be controllable for decades, as is happening in Mexico. And then God help us, because we are not going to save ourselves from that.

Does the pedagogy of cruelty seek a state of fear that prevents violence from being exercised, but instead being directly omnipresent?

It is very difficult to synthesize, but it is what causes our empathy threshold to dislocate and we are less capable of feeling the suffering of the other. It is something that habituates us, through video games, movies and the news.

It makes it seem normal or bearable that these forms of cruelty are in our environment, accustoms us to a universe surrounded by cruelty. Sometimes not even fear, because that accustoms us to the possibility of acts and gestures that cause extreme suffering and that without this pedagogy we will not bear it.

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He worked as an archivist in the Army, and then was transferred to the space of war, where he saw a death for the first time. In an interview he says “that’s when I realized they were people”, that’s the pedagogy of cruelty, when you’re used to a world where you see death all the time.

I realized this when I saw “A Clockwork Orange” a few years ago, after having seen it in 1974. A film banned in many countries for being considered the cruelest film, and to me it seemed like a comedy, the scenes seemed almost comical, they didn’t cause any fear.

There is an interview with the protagonist, malcolm mcdowellwhere he says that the cruelest movie in history at the time today is almost a comedy.

Something happened to us that accustomed us to scenes of death and cruelty, that’s the pedagogy of crueltywhich modifies the threshold of the bearable.

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